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A little bit about Danish politics
Arne Melchior, the Jewish former traffic minister, for many years was one of the most fanatic supporters of Muslim immigration to Denmark. He made great effort to defend Muslim rights in Denmark, and fought the anti-immigration Danish People's Party (Dansk Folkeparti) with great zeal.
Arne Melchior
He was expelled from the very pro Jewish/Israel/immigration/”human rights” party Centrum Demokraterne (CD) because of his support for Israel's use of torture and the Israeli ambassador in Denmark Carmi Gillon, who supposedly had practiced torture against Palestine prisoners himself. This party is now on the edge of extinction, probably because of a rise in more realistic views of the devastating impact of Muslim mass immigration on Danish society, not in the least for Jews, and the state of Israel .
The only ethnic group which is under consequent attack from Mr. Melchior are native Danes.
Now the anti-immigration Danish People's Party is the number one Jewish party, and supports Israel and the Iraq war. As a protest to (left wing) voices demanding boycott of Israeli products, the party served Israeli wine, fruits and other products at their annual meeting.
DAN TSCHERNIA, BUEN 12, 2000 FREDERIKSBERG, TEL 38 71 93 99.
Dan Tschernia er en jødisk journalist, TV Producer og anti- racist, der på groveste vis angriber danske patrioter. I Politiken den 27/9 1998 har Dan Tschernia således en artikel "Man forfølger da minoriteter", hvor han beklager sig over, at man ikke accepterer udtalelser fra minoriteter. Det er imidlertid ikke rigtigt, og når Dan Tschernia opfatter det sådan, er det en fejltolkning. Kritikken mod minoriteters udtalelser er begrundet i det forhold, at minoriteterne forsøger at udtale sig på danskernes vegne, og det går selvfølgelig ikke. Det siger sig selv, at når f.eks. Bent Melchior udtaler sig til fordel for et multikulturelt samfund, så er det en repræsentant for det jødiske folk og ikke for det danske folk, der udtaler sig, og udtalelsen skal ses i dette lys. Dan Tschernia må acceptere det faktum, at jøderne i Danmark er en talmæssig ubetydelig minoritet på ca. 15.000 personer, og derfor kan man heller ikke tillægge jødernes synspunkter større vægt.
Dan Tschernia kritiserer pastor Sørens Krarups udtalelse om, at Bent Melchior fremmer anti-semitismen ved at være fortaler for indvandringen, men denne kritik er fuldstændig forfejlet, simpelthen fordi Søren Krarup har ret. Det er da indlysende, at hvis talsmændene for det jødiske samfund bestandigt stiller sig på de fremmedes side, så vil jøderne også efterhånden blive opfattet som en del af de fremmede. Andet har man ingen ret til at vente.
Det må være et tegn på Dan Tschernias mangel på erkendelse, når han påstår, at Mogens Camres kritik af de fremmede er "gift". Mogens Camres holdning til de fremmede er lige så legitim som Dan Tschernias holdning; det er da sikkert rigtigt, at Mogens Camres holdning ikke er særlig udbredt blandt journalister og andre mediefolk, men hvad siger det! Vi er mange almindelige danskere, der deler Mogens Camres synspunkter, og det har større betydning.
Dan Tschernia må forstå, at den tid er forbi, hvor en minoritet kan tillade sig alt og alligevel bevare det gode forhold til danskerne. Danmark er danskernes land, og minoriteterne er her kun som gæster, og det må minoriteterne rette sig ind efter. I modsat fald er en konflikt ikke til at undgå, og selv Dan Tschernia kan vel forestille sig, hvem der bliver taberen i en sådan konflikt.
Particularly striking are the negative views of gentiles apparent in Jewish religious writings.
The Law of Cleanness regards gentiles and their land as intrinsically unclean.
Gentiles are typically likened to beasts capable of the worst debaucheries, as in the writings of Maimonides where heathen women are suspected of whoredom and heathen men of bestiality (The Code of Maimonides, Book V: The Book of Holiness, XXII, 142).
......... A common criticism was that the Marburg School* engaged in highly creative reinterpretations of historical texts, notably including interpretations of Judaism and such notoriously ethnocentric Jewish thinkers as Maimonides as representing a universalistic ethical imperative. Suggesting deception or self-deception......
Source: The Culture of Critique paperback edition page 222.
Bent Melchior is said to be working at a Danish translation of the Talmud.
Torben Lund
Social democrat and member of the European Parliament
(born 1950)
Torben Lund, who is known among other things for being openly homosexual, has caused controversy in his own Social Democrat party before, when he demanded that the people should be informed of the real consequences of the new EU constitution, instead of just sneaking these far reaching decisions through the back door without any honest and open public discussion.
Torben Lund has pointed at the democratic deficit in the organs of the European Union.
He was very unpopular within the Social Democratic party because of this, and was rewarded with an order to shut up.
Bent Melchior
President of B'nai B'rith i Danmark
former chief rabbi.
One of his ideals is the Jewish philosopher Maimonides, about whom professor Kevin MacDonald says (mouse over)
Bent Melchior, who just as his brother Arne invested much energy in promoting Muslim immigration to Denmark:
»anti-Semitism is an illness that Gentiles suffer, and Jews die from.«
Kenneth Jacobson
Vice President
Anti Defamation League
I reckon that Mr. Jacobson will not at all like the comparatively respectless way his "charity organization" was depicted on Danish television.
Only a Jew is allowed to tell Jew jokes right?
Let's hope he doesn't find out. Otherwise we must fear that he will send a large delegation of lobbyists, that will swarm this presumptuous little country in order to teach the uncircumcised Viking peasants how to live their lives and how to define Anti-Semitism, to free the world of Gentiles who dare to demand the same rights as Jews...
Tøger Seidenfaden
Editor-in-chief Politiken
Christian Kock
Rethorics Professor
Scandalous editorial i Jyllands Posten where Torben Lund is being compared with Der Stürmer og Julius Streicher:
Yesterday he tried to justify himself in this newspaper, but moved only further out on a limb.
Now he is rapping about former chief rabbi Bent Melchior having started a "network" and an "International Organization" and a smear campaign. From there it isn't very far to the worst of all anti-Semitic conspirational cliché's about Jews running the world from behind the stage.
It may sound harsh, but there is no way around acknowledging thet Lund has an inner congeniality with Nazi-propagandist Julius Streicher, who edited the detestable pamphlet "Der Stürmer".
Sorry I'm not entirely through translating;
Læs våset fra Jødelands-Posten, der åbenbart gerne vil overtage Politikens (tidligere) rolle. Leder: Hadefuld Tale (18 maj 2004)
Det er i øvrigt kønt at man kan skrive hvad som helst i en sådan leder, og oveni købet forblive anonym, mens hver en sølle borger skal underskrive med navn og adresse.
Er det mon Hr. Juste, der har skrevet denne sindsyge artikel?
Det er ikke ofte jeg forsvarer en socialdemokrat, men her er blevet gjort Torben Lund et stort uret. Lund burde anlægge sag, da artiklen er æreskrænkende.
Mere så end betegnelsen "antisemit"
der som Melchior hårdnakket påstår tilfalder enhver der har kritik på Jøder som enkeltpersoner som gruppe eller har kritik på Israel.
Det er derfor jeg synes det er rimeligt at stave Antisemit og Antisemitisme med stort, ligesom ordet Jøde, (Jødedom) der i sig selv jo heller ikke siger meget om et menneskes kvaliteter.
At personer som deres Upps redaktør og lignende kritisk indstillede personer jævnlig får tildelt denne betegnelse; det er vi vant til, ja, jeg kan endda have en vis forståelse for det; men at en mand som Torben Lund nu også skal dele denne skæbne ligner en kraftig eskalation af den jødiske krigsførelse.
This time it was Bent Melchior, Arne Melchior's brother who was making the allegations against the Danish Social Democrat politician and member of the European Parliament Torben Lund.
It is common knowledge that Bent Melchior is the president of the Danish fraction of the militant Jewish organization B'nai B'rith and a former chief rabbi. He is also the father of Michael Melchior, member of a religious Israeli party and occupies a seat in the Israeli Parliament Knesset.
In an article in the Danish newspaper Politiken 3 Maj 2004 Torben Lund called Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon "the biggest terrorist in the Middle East" and accused the state of Israel of commiting genocide.
Provokingly he wrote: »just call me an anti-Semite« - because he anticipated that Jewish organizations would accuse him for exactly that; anti-Semitism.
And he didn't have to wait for very long. The Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten, which hereafter may deserve the title Jewlands Posten had the following comment in an editorial May 18 2004:
Now he is rapping about former chief rabbi Bent Melchior having started a "network" and an "International Organization" and a smear campaign. From there it isn't very far to the worst of all anti-Semitic conspirational cliché's about Jews running the world from behind the stage.
It may sound harsh, but there is no way around acknowledging thet Lund has an inner congeniality with Nazi-propagandist Julius Streicher, who edited the detestable pamphlet "Der Stürmer".More in left collumn or click
The next day the Danish TV station TV2 paid attention to the controversy in the program Today (Dags Dato), where we actually got proof for the existence of a worldwide network of Jewish organizations, and if not the proof that Jews are running the world, at least proof that the Jews are attempting to do so.
Poul Erik Skammelsen TV2:
Is Social Democrat politician Torben Lund an anti-Semite?
That is, is he according to the definition of the Danish dictionary anti-Jewish; hostile to Jews in general?
Yes, Lund is an anti-Semite alrigh, says former chief Rabbi Bent Melchior, and several others after a newspaper comment Lund wrote about Israel. But is this anti-Semitism, or has "anti-Semitism become" a concept which is used to shut up critics of the state of Israel, Ole Vestergaard (TV journalist) asks in this program.
Is Social Democrat politician Torben Lund anti-Semite?
That is, is he according to the definition of the Danish dictionary anti-Jewish; hostile to Jews in general?
Yes, Lund is an anti-Semite alright, says former chief Rabbi Bent Melchior, and several others after a newspaper article Lund wrote about Israel.
But is this anti-Semitism, or has "anti-Semitism become" a concept which is used to shut up critics of the state of Israel, asks Ole Vestergaard (TV2 journalist) in this program.
Ole Vestergaard
journalist TV2
Speaker voice
It all began when Torben Lund wrote an article in the Danish newspaper Politiken May 3. In the article he hit hard against Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.
"Ariel Sharon certainly is the person in the Palestine conflict who tops the list of terrorists."
Torben Lund
Social Democrat
I believe he acts like a state terrorist, and that he has committed numerous atrocities against the Palestinian people as an occupying power.
Ole Vestergaard journalist TV2
Torben Lund also wrote: "Every time somebody voices criticism there is an outcry from the Jewish communities, that this is an expression of anti-Semitism".
It is important to observe these three words, "the Jewish communities".
Not "some Jewish communities" or "some Jews", but "the Jewish communities".
Taken very strictly this is a
generalization
of all Jews.
Anyway, the words had come out of the box, and it didn't take long before the reactions poured in from both far and near.
Former chief rabbi Bent Melchior calls the statement for "pure anti-Semitism".
Bent Melchior
rabbiner
Lund has made it into something that denotes that all Jews in the world are ready to come to the defence of Sharon. And that is, that, I, I better stick to the academic, is just not true.
Upps:
Perhaps not, but in the next part Melchiors friends from the ADL drop in for a comment, and they make less of a secret of their sympathies for Sharon and his criminal gang....
Ole Vestergaard journalist TV2
But not only home in Denmark the statements had been noticed. All the way down in New York from the Jewish organization ADL the "The Anti Defamation League" came reactions.
Kenneth Jacobson
Anti Defamation League
”To have a kind of article written by mr. Lund which is outrageous, in it’s charges against Israel and it’s prime minister eh is extremely distressing.
Ehm, it runs against what we hoped was a new tide in Europe to co..to take seriously anti-semitism, and instead this article really encourages and creates an incentive for more anti-semitism.
Ole Vestergaard
journalist TV2
With that Lund is right at least so far, that some Jews call him an anti-Semite if he calls Sharon a terorist.
Kenneth Jacobson ADL
Lunds article comes in the context of several years of activity in Europe in which the new form of anti-semitism is the demonization of the state of Israel.
Ole Vestergaard
journalist TV2
We shall concentrate on what Lund wrote in Politiken: "The Jewish community cries out every time critizism is uttered, that it is an expression of anti-semitism."
At the newspaper Politiken editor-in-chief Töger Seidenfaden says about just that statement:
Tøger Seidenfaden
"It is always wrong to generalize, but from there to saying that everything which purely linguistically is a generalization is anti-Semitism or racism is taking it a bit too far.
Well, I think one has to say that if something is anti-Semitic, it will have to be insulting to Jews. The worst he says about them, as you mentioned yourself, is that they defend the state of Israel, and that does not seem insulting to me...
Ole Vestergaard
journalist TV2
But Bent Melchior calls it deregatory....
Bent Melchior
rabbi/ B'nai B'rith
Generalization here appears definetely in a derogatory context... aasah you can't mean that what Lund means is eh, that what Jews mean in that context, if they support Sharon, eh, then, eh, that it is positive.
Ole Vestergaard
journalist TV2
He says Melchior hurts his own case by using the word anti-Semitism.
According to Melchior anti-Semitism is an illness that Gentiles suffer and Jews die from.
We
seek professional advice, at the University of Copenhagen we find professor in rethorics Christian Kock.
Christian Kock
phd. rethorics
Torben Lund has not said that all Jews have bad or negative qualities.
He has just said that all Jews throw themselves over him.
That is wrong, but it is not racist.
Ole Vestergaard journalist TV2
But isn't it also positive, positive about the Jews that they defend themselves?
Christian Kock
phd. rethorics
Yes, one could argue that, it is hundred percent legitemate to throw oneself over Torben Lunds points of view, and there are also many Jews who do so, although it is not all Jews who do. In that way he hasn't said anything wrong, (Journalist: but not anti-semitic), but nothing anti-Semitic.
Bent Melchior
rabbi
It is clear, clear anti-Semitism, and you can bring me all professors, eh it changes nothing about eh...
Ole Vestergaard journalist TV2
But is it only you [Jews] who have the right to define anti-Semitism?
Bent Melchior
rabbi
Nooooooh, that isn't soooo, but it has been us who have been killed for it..., and because of that we are perhaps eh, more expert on the subject.
Melchior / Vestergaard
blah, blah blah...about feelings. [Mechior show a quick succession of changes in facial expression.]
Ole Vestergaard journalist TV2
Back to Torben Lund who, by a making a few changes could have avoided accusations for being an anti-Semite.
Torben Lund
Social Democrat
I think this is completely wrong, when I write "the Jewish community" I mean of course
those who organize themselves and take part in the debate, and it was precisely Bent Melchior and his network I among other things was thinking about.
There are similar networks in many countries, and again in the USA there are very, very strong eh, organizations. That every time eh, one criticizes Sharon get involved, and the word anti-Semite lies lurking. Sometimes it is being said, sometimes it's not being said directly.
How did the "Anti Defamation League" get involved?
Ole Vestergaard journalist TV2
But one can perhaps be surprised about the fact that Torben Lund's statements are intercepted by "The Anti Defamation League" i New York.
Kenneth Jacobson
Anti Defamation League
These days it’s not very hard to have information. It’s all over the Internet... We also ehm work closely with human rights groups and jewish communities all over the world...
All of us are concerned about the massive rise of antisemitism......
Ole Vestergaard journalist TV2
For "The League" there is no doubt about anti-Semitism getting worse lately....
Kenneth Jacobson
Anti Defamation League:
In the last three years we have seen the greatest outbursts of antisemitism around the world since the holocaust..........
Ole Vestergaard journalist TV2
............But if that is true, it is also true that the word "anti-Semite" is beginning to be used in a more hap hazard way, like some kind of abuse which can stop people from speaking critically about Israel.
Has Melchior lost his
better judgement here?
Christian Kock
phd. rethorics
It is starting to take it's toll on his judgement, if he wants to further understanding for Israel, I think he should tell us something about Israel, instead of using the anti-Semite stamp.
Bent Melchior
rabbi
That I have used the expression..., that is simply not true, it goes against the truth... if that is being alleged.
It could be that smeone misuses it... Theh... they, it would be strange if there weren't ehm, diffent,... and precisely we are different..
Oh, your rethorics professor will have to accept that there are others who read the text just as I read it.
Torben Lund
Social Democrat
There are scores of people who keep silent...., I have received many letters and mails from people who agree with me, but who don't hide that they eh, that it is difficult for them if they would join the debate, because ehm, they also will crucified for being, eh one thing and the other....
Tøger Seidenfaden
editor-in-chief
In stead of coming down exactly on what is wrong in what he writes, just drawing this club which is called "you are an anti-Semite" from his pocket. Thereby he derails the debate, and he abuses to my opinion a very very serious word.. which is the word anti-Semite.
The debate is derailing
Ole Vestergaard journalist TV2
That the debate is derailling is seen most clearly in a leading article in Jyllands Posten yesterday [18 maj 2004] which stated:
Lunds attack has an inner congeniality with the infamous Nazi propagandist Julius Streicher who edited the horrible pamphlet "Der Stürmer".
Ole Vestergaard journalist TV2
Now we are speaking clear language..... Torben Lund is not only an anti-Semite, he is actually a Nazi!
Poul Erik
Skammelsen
The before mentioned Jewish organization Anti Defamation League, has measured opinions in a number of European countries. In Denmark 16 % have anti-Semitic views, so this years scrutiny concludes, which is every sixth Dane..
So far the television broadcast..
Quite interesting, I think, if one studies it a bit in detail..... seeing the subjects on screen will further our study of Jewish mentality....
How on the one side deny the existence of a Jewish network of power and connections, and on the other side spew your anger in Jyllands Posten, the newspaper which very courtuous has given as much of their paper and ink as they usually spend on all reader comments to furious Jews like the journalist Dan Tschernia.